is wrong constitutes apostasy, is that an example of a faith that promotes discussion and research like you claim, or a mind-numbing cult that seeks to control every fiber of every member’s being?
For those of you who deny my question is true, here is a link and a quote for you:
On 1 September 1980 the Governing Body distributed a letter to all Circuit and District overseers stating that apostates need not be promoting doctrines to be disfellowshipped. The letter stated that individuals who persisted in “believing other doctrine despite scriptural reproof” were also apostatizing and therefore warranted “appropriate judicial action”.
That said, the elders will disfellowship those who disagree with something regardless of whether or not they tell people, and one of the elders’ goals through their ‘shepherding calls’ is to make sure that a JW believes everything the Watchtower puts out there, much like the Gestapo.
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Then after they were tossed out, any JW’s that did not immediately change their understanding to agree with the new understanding that had the GB tossed out for Apostasy will also be tossed out.
Those that lived long enough would have needed to change their understanding 8 times as to weather the Sodomite men will be resurrected or not so they could believe the changed understandings of the society.
Most would need an advisor to even know what they are to believe today as to the current BLOOD teachings.
– Chosen by Asker
I would like to make a point, regarding GMLow’s non-answer and also your response.
GMLow doesn’t address the primary question. We can break it into two parts:
a – Is someone who refuses to believe one or more official teachings of the Organization considered an apostate simply because they refuse to believe (admittedly, after being reproved)? Or does someone have to do more than refuse to believe to be an apostate?
b – If the refusal to believe a Witness doctrine (even after reproof) is all that is needed for one to become rightly deemed an apostate (that is, the person does not engage in any forbidden act, but merely stubbornly but privately disagrees with an official teaching of the Organization), “is that an example of a faith that promotes discussion and research”? Or is that an example of faith that promotes, “believe what I teach **and** believe my explanation or you’re out”?
With regard to your response: celebrating a birthday is not merely “believing other doctrine” – it’s additionally engaging in forbidden behavior. It is NOT a good example for your question. A better example would be: someone who believes that 1914 is not the date that Satan was cast down to Earth and the “end times” began. Maybe they believe it was 1917 or 1924, or maybe they even believe that it hasn’t happened yet. If someone tells an elder, “I don’t believe that 1914 is the correct date, but I will never teach others that it is not the correct date”, and the elders give that person the official explanation, and the person replies, “Your explanation is not reasonable; I still don’t believe that 1914 is the correct date.” – then that person will be “apostate” purely for what he believes, not for any forbidden action he or she has undertaken.
– Jim
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my two cents
To clarify, jesus made it clear through his ministry that not everyone worship was acceptable to him. Hence the illustration of the broad and spacious road leading to destruction and the narrow road leading to life.
He even went so far as to say not all christian worship was acceptable to him as born out in Matthew 7:21-23 (kjv)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Paul also eluded to the fact that a true christian has no need to follow other so called teachings in 2 Thessalonian 2:3-4
So rather than following “watchtower” doctrine as you like to call it, jw’s follow bible based teachings.
And seeing as jw’s have proven the trinity doctrine to be false. Proven the immortality of the soul doctrine to be false. Proven the hell fire doctrine to be false. Proven that religion should not involve itself in politics. And broadly speaking these are the main subjects of most other so-called christian publications. Why would we want to read them?
And as a man with a phd in computer science, who investigated all kinds of religions before deciding that the jw’s taught what I feel is the closest thing to the first century version of christianity, I would have to say the answer to your question is: jw’s do promote discussion, they promote bible research, and they use the harmony of the bible to verify their doctrine and teachings.
*edit* and as for the nonsense of being disfellowshipped for holding personal views about bible teachings that are not in agreement with the organisation. If someone has a personal view, that they are not promoting, then how exactly do the elders find that out to disfellowship them? By its very nature its personal. And the number of serving jw’s who visit and comment on the non-jw anti-jw websites is a testament to the fact they are not interrogated during shepherding visits.
JWs certainly believe in persecuting
honest hearted ones for thought crimes.
They do not believe in anything even remotely like Christian Freedom .
Truly a laughable little pseudo religion.
Their cunning use of propaganda and mind control traps their deluded members.
Forcing them to shun even close family for
nothing more than asking the wrong questions and insisting on honest answers.
This results in
Suicide
Mental illness
Broken families
Broken marriages
Destroyed lives
Financial ruin
They worship the self anointed ,self appointed leadership of JWs the almighty
Governing Booby . 8 self proclaimed mini-popes .
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50 yrs a JW
JWfacts website
Steve Hassan cult expert author
Governing body member Ray Franz book “Crisis of Conscience”
Once again, Freethinker is not really thinking. Getting a quote correct does not means he actually reads it. The key is “despite scriptural reproof”. Not just what the Watchtower or Governing Body says, but predominantly what the Bible states as fact, which makes the difference.
You keep trying to make it seem the GB somehow keeps “dreaming up” some rules as in Cricket that no one can understand (and one thinks just made up on the fly). That is never true. It is only by observing what the Bible itself teaches that we please Jehovah God. He reveals that in the Bible, unchanged for 2,0 years.
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I’ve disagreed with several things the WT taught through the years. … I just waited it out, and they eventually changed it.
Likely, the difference between me and you is that I don’t expect ANY human (or group of humans) to always be right.
To always be right, they would have to be perfect.
I don’t know any perfect humans.
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It’s a control of information.
Clever tactic perpetrated against weak minds.
NO….TRUE CHRISTIANS BELIeVE IN THE TRINITY AND THE BIBLE…
i left a similar cult in 96…choose mainstream Trinity churches.
Perhaps the rest of the letter needs to be quoted. This is done to keep the religion pure and without blemish.